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0:00 We are picking up pes 87b by the mishna mikdash. We'll say there are seven different measurements of liquid in the mikdash. Seven different liquid measurements. Yesterday we spoke about dry measures. Today we're speaking about liquid measures. What were they say? So these are the different seven measures that they had in the mik. 0:34 says something very interesting disagreeing with the and ultimately telling us that's what that there was one utensil in the mikdash called the hinn in that utensil there were markings in the utensil itself showing you ultimately again up until this point is for a par right for the for the oil for the par up until this point the aisle up until this point for the canvas so we'll 0:57 say seems to be saying is that you didn't have multiple different utensils. Instead, what you just had was one big utensil with multiple notches and each notch showed you where to fill up the utensil for each respective carbon. So the goes says there was no hinn measurement. Why 1:22 was there no hinn measurement? Because what do you need a H measurement for in the BCH points out over here regular. So we'll say interestingly enough what Shim says over here is as follows. Rabbi Shim says there was never a need for a hinn because the hinn measurement was never used in the B miktosh. When was the hinn measurement used historically? 1:58 It was used for the production of the sheish for the anointing oil. But because anointing oil was just made once, it wasn't part of ongoing service. Therefore, you didn't require that type of utensil. So rather again's model because there is no because there is no hinn utensil. There's no hinn utensil. Therefore, again, he wants to 2:26 fill out the number of seven as well. That there are seven liquid measures. So, what does he substitute instead of hinn? He says there was a lo and a half utensil. Utensil that was a lo and a half in size. And we'll say this was this and a half utensil was used to measure out for the because they would use a half of oil in the morning 2:52 and half of oil ultimately again in the afternoon. Good says the says over here there were seven liquid measures in the mikdash. Were they say good quoting the seven different the seven different measurements that you're going to see that's just pretty much restating the Mishna say so okay so seems to quote the same 3:35 exact measurements. Just what what do you notice? What did he do? He reversed the order. Whereas Rabi Yehuda ultimately again is going from the smallest measurements ultimately to the larger measurements. Rabi Mayor goes from the larger measurements ultimately to the smaller measurements. We'll discuss what the significance of that is in just a little bit. 3:58 There was no measure h at all. because say what would you need a H measurement for because as we said before the H was only used in the production of the Mishk and Shamishk was not an ongoing process top of so if that's the case says so if that's the case ultimately again that there is no H measurement so then 4:23 again what measure should I use instead of the H So we'll say in Rabi Shim's model there was no hinn but instead there was a measure a utensil that contained a log and a half. What was the point of the lo and a half? That was the necessary amount for the coin. The kavle in the morning the coin in the afternoon. Good. 4:56 This is actually very interesting. Rabbi Shim says to round out the number seven and we'll discuss why everyone is hung up on seven. But to round out the number seven, Rabbi Shiman says because we're removing hinn the hinn measurement from the list, we're going to substitute it ultimately again with the utensil which held a lo and a half. So they asked the other rabbis asked Rabbi Shim Rabishim why you need a utensil that holds which 5:20 holds a log and a half after I understand the significance of a lo and a half. That's the amount of oil necessary for the kav in the morning and in the afternoon. But I have a different idea. Everyone agrees that what? That there was a utensil which measured a half a log. If there's utensil which measures a half a log, then what? Just use that utensil three times and you'll get your lo and a half. Why do you have 5:44 to start going ahead and producing a new utensil just to go ahead and get to a lo and a half? So retorts back to them. says okay well even according according to that logic I could say you know what don't make a kati utensil and it's why because you have a utensil that is a re and if that's the case say all you need is what 6:08 use the re twice and you'll get rather says this is actually really amazing we have a md which is And we'll say what was the principle in the bdash? The principle in the B mikdash was that you had specific utensils for specific measurements. We do not use one utensil to measure something that is not its exact 6:41 measurement. Let me say that a little bit better that in the bas we have exact measuring utensils and we do not go ahead and use a utensil of one measurement to go ahead and use and measure out some smaller measurement than the actual size of the utensil. Does that make sense? Say in other words, so meaning we're not going to use a reeist lo to measure out to we're not going to use two two fillings up of the 7:04 reve to measure out the log or we're not going to use two to go and measure out a look. What about say why not? Why not? Because if you end up doing that, what inevitably ends up happening? Estimation. Estimation. And say you have to understand something. The Bikdash was a precise science. Was a precise science. Everything in the Bikdash was 7:27 precise. Why is everything in the Bikash precise? Because was to be a metaphor for Judeaic life. How are you supposed to live your Yiddish kite? With precision. With precision. Not with ambiguity. You know, sometimes we say, "I think this is okay." Right? I think this is all right. 7:47 I say, "No, it's either all right or it's not all right." And if it's not sure, nine out of 10 times you're deluding yourself because you know it's not right, but you're telling yourself it's okay. This this is the says don't literally again don't tithe by estimation and says on that he says even if you're going to give more than you have to don't live life by estimation 8:12 you have to live life with precision you have to know what you're doing you have to have clarity of right than wrong you have to know mutser tar kasher tra person has to have clarity in life because inevitably if you're walking around in in a Judeaic fog and you have spiritual ambiguity, you're going to make significant mistakes. Therefore, say where does this all come from? Where does this whole come from? See, you 8:37 thought there's no in but is say that's what this entire suggest entire is telling me. Do not go ahead and estimate when measuring out. The B mikdash has a specific set of measuring utensils so that every measurement should be precise. goes fine. 9:01 So let's listen to this. Now let's go back for just a moment. So if you remember again say what was the seven different measurements. So remember again I just want to point out the measurements are the same. The measurements are the same. They just quoted them in different orders. Rabi Huda goes ahead and and ultimately quotes them in smallest to biggest and Rabime quotes them from 9:26 biggest to smallest and we'll say obviously they're arguing about something. So it says what are they arguing about? So here we go. So is actually very interesting. What they're arguing about is what the Gimar calls me. So say so right after we have this whole spiel about about exact measurements. Look what the talks about over here. Look at the second line in 9:57 listen to this. So we'll say when you go ahead so Rashy's example over here is with wine because wine is the easiest illustration of this. When you go ahead and you fill up your utensils with wine, you fill up to the top. So almost inevitably there's some amount of spillage that occurs. That spillage goes over the sides of the cleat. So what happens if you pour the smaller utensil into a 10:22 larger utensil then what say turns out that the larger utensil actually contains more wine than what was contained in the smaller utensil which is an interesting idea. So remember again if I overflow the smaller utensil and immediately pour it off into the larger utensil the assumption we're working with is the large utensil will catch the contents of the smaller utensil and also we call the bayen the 10:48 overflow droplets will also come in. Therefore again it turns out that the large utensil will have more than the smaller utensil and if not ultimately again the overflow droplets ultimately fall to the ground. So watch this. So the says So according to the opinion who looked at the measurements of the BTO from smallest to greatest 11:13 he holds that the overflow is consecrated as well and the re ultimately again is the shear that ultimately again gave to Moshu look for just a moment. So according to the opinion who looked at the first which say this is this is the rahud who looks at the re as the in the beginning of the measurements I'm 11:47 looking at the bottom of says Just read that next then we'll go back to the according to this first opinion he holds that ultimately again gives mosh log that was the initial shear And the assumption is that the shimin go up in ascending order recognizing that when you pour so to speak, not literally but 12:32 so to speak from one cle to the next. So the additional droplets of the smaller utensil go into the larger utensil and become kadosh as well. The take-home message of both say from the order of the cle is just like if you pour from the smaller clea into the larger cle the larger clea receives both the contents of the smaller clea as well as the overflow droplets assuming that you poured off immediately. What that's 12:55 telling you is that overflow becomes kadosh as well. That's the takeaway message from this. But the one who goes ahead and reckons the shim again from largest to smallest. He holds that the overflow of the utensil does not become and in fact the original measure that gives to Mosh was the h. Now granted, he 13:22 gives him the h as we saw before by the use this as your measurement so that the roots in the overflow falls off. Say obviously if you were to take the h utensil and what pour it into the next smallest utensil that utensil of course would not even hold all of the contents of the h utensil and certainly wouldn't what? certainly wouldn't go ahead and 13:50 hold the overflow also. So I will say what's amazing about this is this is really fascinating because it seems like it'd be so much more so much easier for them just to say we're arguing about overflow. But understand what's happening over here. The Gimar is filled with this. The Gimar is filled with statements that serve multiple purposes. 14:06 So what's happening with Rabi Mayor and Rabi Huda is they're both giving the list of the different sh because we need to know the seven sh in the B mikdash and by the way that they arrange it they're also allowing it to serve almost as a not pneumanic but they're allowing it to serve as a way to remember another what other does overflow of a utensil become or not telling me yes and that's 14:30 why again he arranges the utensils from smallest to largest because if you overflow a small utensil pour it off immediately into a large utensil. The large utensil will contain what say the contents of the smaller utensil and the overflow reminding me that the overflow ultimately again is kadosh versus the large utensil to the smaller utensil which is raor if you pull the large utensil 14:53 say the small utensil doesn't even contain all of the contents of the larger utensil much less certainly not the overflow. Therefore telling us that the overflow is not kadosh as well says no that's not the everyone in everyone agrees that what overflow is excuse me I should say differently so says that's 15:27 ultimately again so we'll say what does this Say here what they're arguing about is how much you fill up utensils. Look at actually let's let's see in the reading ahead. So say the one who says that you take the measurements ultimately from greatest to smallest that's the position of mayor 16:07 he holds that the way the measurements are arranged is that you have to measure the kaim exactly do not add more and do not take out. So the so the have to be leveled exactly leveled not less not more but the mand who holds who reckons the seven measurements from smallest to largest that's what does he hold he holds 16:32 when the says that it has to be it means it can't be deficient but say if you end up adding more to the cle that's fine because ultimately again that'll still be called malay fine say so therefore this is the second version of the in this version they're not arguing about overflow they're not arguing about ultim 16:56 what was not argument overflow rather what they're arguing about is can you go ahead and add more to the utensil or not one opinion telling me yes one opinion telling me no is rooted in the word malay what does malle mean does malle mean full and leveled or does malle mean full and Even if there's a bit more. 17:19 So say listen to this. So going back now says ultimately that there was no measurement called a hinn. Now the reason he holds there's no measurement called the hinn because it was unnecessary because remember again the only time hinn was ever used was where by the mishk by the creation of the anointing oil. The hinn measurement is not part of everyday temple service. If it's not part of everyday temple service 17:43 then I don't need a designated utensil for it. So it says is saying good to the say again this is another idea has nothing extra there's no surplus so whatever you need you use or I should say whatever you use you have whatever you don't use you don't have says why in a million years would we keep a utensil called for for the h a hinn utensil a hinn measurement utensil 18:09 when there is nothing in temple service which requires a hinn to which so it's says you're saying go to what did say one second there was a h utensil in other words let's let's not rewrite history there bless you there was a h utensil made the h utensil ultimately to create 18:34 the sheish now watch this she maros Sorry. So listen to this. This is actually a fascinating locus says listen the h utensil was needed once in history for the creation of the reason why what do you mean once in history? So remember again made a very large batch of shamish. You didn't apparently you did 19:09 not need to make more after the batch of mosh raenu. is hidden together with the habris. So therefore once Mosha made the Mishka that's it we don't need it anymore we we don't need the Hindu tensil anymore I did Mosher Rabenu have a Hindut tensil did he have a Hindu tensil yes what happened to it was put in sheamus right it was put in it was hidden away but we don't need one now on the other hand that's on the other hand 19:33 on hold means that what once Mosherenu made it and it became part of the temple utensil collection. Even though we do not use it ultimately for future generations, we still nevertheless maintain a hand utensil within the Bikto. 19:59 So says so says remember after takes out the hinn from his list. So they say to him what are you going to substitute right says what should I sub what should I substitute instead? So what does he substitute instead? The look and a half utensil. So asks the I don't understand why does he have to substitute anything? 20:21 Let it just be that everyone else in the Mishna holds that what excuse me mayor hold that there are seven utensils holds that what there are six why does he need seven to which the says just like when it comes to we have that there are two times that is done on communal offerings the says to which the answers because that's 20:54 the ms the is that there were seven liquid measures so can't argue on the msraim can maybe argue in terms of what in terms of what the measurements were but the excuse me the concept that there were seven that's part of the vest to which say look at Rash for just a moment. So 21:21 says the says let's just go back to Omaros. Does he not hold interestingly enough presents an alternate possibility? The alternate possibility is that maybe Cheva midos doesn't necessarily mean seven different utensils. But maybe in Rabbi Alzar's model, Rabbar Basel's model ultimately 21:50 again what does Chevidos mean? Chevidos that say there were seven different measures that it could be that in in Rebel's model he says that there were seven notches. Seven notches. So it could be that it's one utensil ultimately again with seven different notches and therefore again I what do you do with the Mishno that says 22:13 Chevan midos. So in Rabb's model you have to say it said chevidos not chevidos seven different measuring utensils but rather seven different measurements seven notches within the same utensil. 22:32 There were seven different utensils. I so which order so here's the good news six out of seven everyone's in agreement what does he do about the hinn this is actually right this is like we need to know so was there a hinn wasn't there a hinn and I will say what's fascinating about this is what we and everyone agrees on the mitsus what's the mitsus was the hinn used in the b mikash was it used 22:56 >> no right it ultimately again was only used once in history for what for the mishk so it's clear that it's not used in everyday temple service but was it one of the seven utensils or not? to which says you know we have nothing that we need for so if that's the case says why was it 23:26 so ultimately again says because it was used by that utensil was in the mikdash. Why once used it for the even it sat there gathering dust? Because no one used it for anything. Nevertheless, there was a h measurement a utensil in 23:59 the mdash. Incredible. Incredible says the mission. Let's go back to so we'll say now we're going to go through now see now that we established the list of seven. This is very exciting. Now that we established the list of seven. So we'll say so now we're going to go through what each what each unit of liquid measurement was used for. 24:17 So watch this. Here we go. Remember what was it used for? it was used for the reve. So remember again his process is that you have to go ahead and mix all the other items the the bird and everything else with right with water with water. So how much water did you have to use from the process? 24:53 Quarter of a log. There was also a quarter of a log of oil for the nauseier for the nausea. Now Rashi points out over here this was what was the oil used for? It was used for the for the for the loaf offering of the noir. So quarter of a lo for the water of the mitsra which is the quarter lo of the she for the noir say what did you use the kati look for? 25:17 So the Gar says there was a half a lo of water used for the remember again that's that's where the parchment is dissolved for the and she drinks it and say there was a half a lo of oil used for the to mix into the toad loaves and was used for all other very interesting is it is one lug of oil 25:48 per is of flour. Let's say you brought a massive min of 60 is so we'll say how much oil does that require of you 60 lug. So say so what's that you the only thing you had for your use in the mikdash for the oil for the mah was what a one lug utensil which means you filled up that lug so you filled out 60 times there was no like a big gulp you know 26:13 like uh you know you know jumbo jumbo lug thing for for a large ma it was always the one lug utensils even if you brought the massive mka you just kept filling it up as many times as you needed So disagrees over here not on a utensil but in the he holds that it is one lug of oil per no matter how big that is. So what we're going to discuss is 26:40 fundamental in is it one of oil per or is it one of oil perman so again here we say there are six for the par four for the three for the three and a half for the minor there we'll say that We saw that yesterday. 27:10 That's a half a log per candle for peri ultimately again a half a for each and every we call it n we translated as candle but what it really means is co each receptacle in the ultimately again. 27:27 So we'll say here we go. So had Rebi was sitting he was learning the mission of I should say what was the measurement consecrated for means what was the re measurement used for if you want to say it's remember again I don't need a I don't need a consecrated for the use of the 27:56 mitsura because the entire purification of the mitsur is done where points out the was purification process took place out quote unquote outside of the base. Remember we actually learned this it took place actually in the in the actual gateway because it's outside of the base quote unquote I don't need a consecrated utensil 28:22 and if you want to say ultimately again the reus the quarter log utensil is used to measure out the oil for the loaves of the nosier. So the loaves of the only become later on through the slaughtering of the aisle which means that the loaves are already made even in a nonadosh form because they're made in a non-cados form. What I don't need a consecrated measuring 28:47 utensil for measuring out the oil for the loaves of the I'll tell you why you need the utensil was with that you measured out the oil for the special of the coin ultimately again because used a quarter of a lo of oil for every loaf. So we'll say so that's what you 29:15 use the for is for every single loaf. So this is actually quite beautiful. So remember again this was this was who was sitting and pondering this gave him the answer and said about the from a far away land a great man came and gave me counsel. Rashi points out made aliyah. He used to live in he moved to 29:45 was living in and he said a man from a far away land came and gave me counsel. He was praising for his wisdom say what was the used for say remember again I just want to point out these measuring utensils in the mdash say these were consecrated utensils. This is not stop measuring utensils. They were consecrated. Now what the is asking over here is I understand the need for measuring 30:14 utensils. What I'm trying to understand is why I need consecrated measuring utensils. For what purpose is the consecration? So here we go. If you want to say it's that I need ultimately again to measure out the water for the not true remember again where was the water of the sa taken from so in fact interesting 30:40 enough it was taken from the k it was taken from the sink in the bikto that water was already consecrated because it was consecrated it does not need a clichar it does not need a consecrated measuring utensil to measure it out. It was already if you want to say to measure out again the log of oil for the 31:06 say the loaves of a toad only become consecrated later on during the time when the actual toad which means say I don't need the oil of the toada to be in a consecrated utensil because even if it's in a consecrated utensil the loaves themselves do not become consecrated until later. 31:24 says, "I'll tell you what we needed for we need it for the half measurement was necessary." Why? To measure out the half a lo of oil for each and every receptacle in the minor. So say so again so beautifully. Rebi once again complimenting this time says to him call he calls him the you 31:52 are the light of all Israel this indeed is what was done okay it's a good praising him say listen this is this is a fascinating case and this is amazing by the way because you know last night we just started the we just started so this is amazing obviously this is not this is but we have it very you know again the 32:17 aboutd so here we go let's listen to this interesting case you have in the minor so say so what happened over here is one of the wicks go out one of the wicks go out points out over here Rashi points out it's actually looking the bottom five lines in supposed to listen to this case. So the 32:47 case over here is the wick extinguished but what ends up happening is the wick itself dissolves a little bit into the oil effectively rendering the oil unfit. So this is talking about a candle in the bd which went out prematurely. So watch this. 33:04 So what do you do the next morning? So you go ahead saying what you clean it out you clean it out or I should say I shouldn't say the next morning what should you do what should you do again when you want to relight it says the what do you do so you clean it out and you put in the requisite amount of oil and you go ahead and relight it so 33:30 Rashi says over here look at regular rash for just a moment so So I see the idea over here is the minura was supposed to remain lit really until the next morning. The case over here is it's going out in the middle of the night or sometime before daybreak. So what do you do? So Rashi says over here say presumably what do you do over here? 33:58 You go ahead you clean out. You clean it out and you relight it. You relight it. So if it goes out you relight it. So watch this. had the following. This is fascinating. So remember how much oil was placed in the N. How much oil was placed in each N? How much oil? So remember what was the amount meaning where do we get the amount from? It's the amount that was necessary to allow it to remain lit throughout the night. I now have a N 34:27 that went out. So what am what do I have to do? Relight it. What's the Shila? What's the Shila? How much oil do you put back in? Right? Do you go ahead? Do I put in a full half? Oh, do I go ahead and put only back in essentially the necessary amount? 34:47 Meaning, do I take do I look at the amount ultimately again that was used up and only put in the amount of oil less that amount? In other words, what is asking over here is do you put in the full measure or do you just put in enough to get the minora till the morning? 35:06 says it's that you put in the full half awise you're talking about imprecise measurements. How do you know how much first of all we'll say it's also assuming that you saw exactly when the minora went out for you know the cohen went ahead he's on break union also right he's on break right so so what happens he's on break he comes back so how does he know when it went 35:33 out so we'll say so therefore again the gimar says obviously it has to be that you clean out the minora put in the full half lug of oil because how can you measure how much was used how much is left so I can measure so says no I absolutely You can't measure. What can I do on both side? I can take a half lug measure half lug utensil. Pour out the oil into the half lug and what? And what? See how much oil 35:55 is left in there? Oh, no. You can't. I tell you why you can't. Because if you're going to start measuring out something else, then what? Then it turns out that you have more than seven measurements. See, if there is such a process of measuring out residual oil, then it turns out it's so interesting. 36:16 No. Yeah. So it turns out that that you're going to have many more than seven measurements. You're going to have multiple different measurements because you're going to be measuring out residual oil. So therefore say therefore it has to be that it has to be that when the manora goes out, you replace the oil, you replace the wick, you pour out all of the old oil and say now this is da case where the oil that's left up 36:39 gets messed up by the wick inside of it. It appears from this that if the oil was still fine, just something happened with the wick, you could replace the you could replace the oil. You could replace the remaining oil and ultimately again just put in there a new wick. But assuming that the oil itself gets messed up, empty it out, replace it with a full half log. K say this is all Rebi. Once again, Rebby says about Rebi and he says 37:04 ultimately the following. Oh, excuse me. This is sitting and says the quotes from from ultimately again your literally your beauty should go on and be successful. 37:22 So again he praises for his incredible wisdom have another that supports this idea we'll say if a if a candle in a light and fire in the minora goes out and the oil becomes unusable. 37:43 So we'll say and the wick itself becomes unusable. What do you do is you empty out the contents of the particular receptacle. You fill it up with oil and you rekindle it. And that indeed is incredible. 38:07 Another amazing name of the inim literally means of pieces. Now what does that mean of pieces? If you look at the bottom, six lines from the bottom, get ready for this. This is wild. 38:35 Says as follows, the was malleable. Which means said you could take the branches and you could bend them down. Why do you need to bend them down? to clean them. They're malleable. We'll say not detachable, not detachable. I know is malleable the right word, right? Malleable, right? 38:56 They're malleable. You could literally move them in order to go ahead and clean them. Amazing. He holds that when the says that the has to be made. Mika means what? Out of one block of gold, what does that refer to? 39:15 That refers to the minora as well as the branches. The minora has to be one solid piece of gold. Because of that what we call say the nos which are the actual branches of the monora cannot be detachable but they can be what? They can be movable. So allowing them to be movable allows you to clean them. 39:38 And since you have to clean the the the bulbs, you have to clean the receptacles. If they were not movable, if they were not malleable, you can never clean them sufficiently. So the says, how do you go ahead and clean them in? 39:56 You actually remove the branches and you leave them. You clean them with a sponge and then you put oil in them. Wow. So what do you see from this? What you see in this that the branches were detachable. So a fundamental historical about the minora were was the minora one 40:20 big piece with malleable branches or was the minora again made up of multiple parts the base being one piece but the branches being detachable. Say that we would not move the branches from their place. tell me do not move the branches from their place. What does that tell me? 40:48 What does that tell me? That if I wanted to, I could. Which sounds like the branches are technically detachable. Says, "No, no, no. What the way it should be read is the branches were not movable. They could not be moved from place. 41:11 we'll say ultimately we'll just read this piece and we'll have to stop for today that ultimately there was like a gold plate on top of the cups of the monora when he wanted to clean out the cups he would push the so if you can imagine it's like a flap on top was a flap on top to keep impurities from coming inside so when he was cleaning it out he would push the flap towards the 41:33 opening of the utensil of the of the cup when he wanted to put in oil, he would push the flat back. So we'll say ultimately again what we're going to see is that that this is going to be about the nature of the so we'll have to stop over here for today but again you don't want to miss this tomorrow right a 41:57 fundamental about how the manora itself was fashioned was it one piece was it multiple pieces was it one piece with immovable branches or was it one piece with malleable branches to be seen
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